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  PORTUGAL: In-depth news investigation about Jehovah's Witnesses and shunning

  by EdenOne in

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  "observador" the leading online daily newspaper in portugal, published today an in-depth investigation about the practice of shunning by the jehovah's witnesses.. starting with the ongoing petition that i have submitted to collect signatures, the investigative reporter tânia pereirinha details how the branch is organized, who is who in the local branch office, the history of the organization, the pedophilia scandals, interviews lawmakers and the person responsible for the overseeing of the law of religious freedom, and the focuses on four life stories of people who were shunned.

  one of those stories is of our very own tj curioso, who posts in this forum.. https://observador.pt/especiais/eles-mataram-me-em-vida-o-inferno-nas-testemunhas-de-jeova/.

  "they killed me while i was still living - the hell of jehovah's witnesses" is the name of the article.

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  This is exciting news - can´t wait to get access to it all on a real computer.

  Well done Eden One and Tânia Pereirinha TJCurioso and all !

  200 more signatures coming right up...
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  Good-bye Jehovah (poem)

  by SunnyOne026 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it has been several months now, since i learned ttat and the shock and grief is slowly lifting, although some days are harder than others.

  after 40 years a devout believer i guess i should not be surprised that the transition has been challenging and the losses immense, and i am sure very many of you can relate to my struggles.

  i frequently read the posts on here and my heart goes out to all of you, who grieve and struggle each in your own way, and i wish all of you continued courage and peace.

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  I appreciated your contentment with your new "..live a life of quiet uncertainty.."

  Uncertainty is the only true and just response we can have to much of life whether past, present and obviously the future.

  Joys and beauty remain undiminished and a sense of wonder enhances every human mind.

  Thank you for introducing that perfectly apt and logical phrase.
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  My Dissociation letter

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi to everyone!i was summoned to the judicial committee and went.

  it was a respectful conversation from one side to the other.

  in the end i handed the dissociation letter in hand and a binding to each of the elders, with an article i wrote on the subject, "are jehovah's witnesses a destructive sect?

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  What a superb document.

  The loss of persons of such conviction and love will leave lasting voids - have you considered publishing this in your local press and addressed to your former congregation?

  Those who must have loved you as a friend surely have the right to know your reasons.

  A gracious and well researched condemnation of the actual damages wrought by such a deceitful, destructive cult - in an unsuspecting community.

  Thanks to Eden One for translation... beautifully rendered.
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  Unhappy being asked to give a Disfellowshipped Sister a ride to and from Meetings

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm pimo, very much against disfellowshipping, and going to a meeting leaves me feeling confused and angry at the best of times.

  except an elder asked me on thursday night if i can start giving a ride to a disfellowshipped woman because she lives near me and nobody else from the hall lives in my village.

  it seems the elder and his family who have been giving this woman a ride for the past six months can no longer stomach the time it takes them to go out of their way.. i thought all normal publishers weren't to have any contact with disfellowshipped people?

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  "...and I was told six months ago (when I didn't know who she was) not to speak to her as she's disfellowshiped."

  It is against the law to forbid communication between citizens. See how much better democratic laws are than theocratic crap?
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  conversation with a JW about the sun

  by neat blue dog in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jw: didn't we just hear somebody say that the sun's gonna blow up?.

  me: well, they were saying that it will expand and eventually burn out.. jw: but it can't do that, it just keeps blowing up inside and getting more power.. me: well, they were talking about stars in general, how they have a life span.. jw: but god didn't make it that way, it's firmly established to time indefinite.

  it's not like the sun is a regular star.

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  ahhh ... how did uranium get in the ground?
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  In case you want to see mass quantities of ignorance / stupidity on display....a dinosaur thread on JWTalk

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/34840-what-does-the-bible-say-about-dinosaurs/.

  amazing how many words can be expended discussing things that people have utterly no clue about..

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  In post #43 jwhess ends with:

  "I would not cite (m)any publication earlier than 2000 for teaching purposes, I assure you"

  A candid admission that JWs themselves realize that for more than a century the WT published and disseminated material unfit for teaching.

  People lives were wasted, used up and too often ruined based on that same bullshit - disgraceful.
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  Am I Overreacting Here?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let's call him "dave".. dave: hello?.

  dave: we dont have to tell you how she is.

  dave: <her mother> has custody.

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  Pale E

  You handled that very well- reasonable, logic and a legally valid concern expressed.

  I record my conversations with JWs then write a letter to them to documenting the conversation. In the letter, quote them exactly and explain exactly what is wrong with their conduct .

  Send the letter to the congregation secretary and demand a reply with their remedy to the situation.

  Dubs are just witless little drones and shunning is their one and only chance to feel powerful. The congregation created the insanity so demand that they fix it. Bury them with paperwork resulting from their vicious hateful policies.

  Shunning looks petty and ridiculous in print (and may even violate a legal agreement)

  The real value of the letter is that it is a document upon which legal action can be pursued and will be viewed as such by the boe.

  It´s actually fun to dump the mess right back in the secretaries lap - good luck
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  Jehovah Witness family murder suicide

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  so sad!!!!!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbj0sivgdke&feature=youtu.be.

  http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2018/02/16/4-dead-keego-harbor-murder-suicide/345756002/.

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  I once had a young man explain how both murder and suicide can become logical consequences of JWs ¨bible based teachings .

  This boy had gone to the kingdom hall since he was three years old. After puberty in his early teens he began to hear voices. His father was an elder so to avoid consequences to others, this boy said absolutely nothing to anyone.

  He logically concluded that he had demons - a lifetime of bible stories and cult literature served to confirm that fear.

  After school years of alcohol and drugs finally a psychiatric assessment shone light where the bible never will - on depression and schizophrenia.

  The wasted years made it too late for this wonderful kid to be helped - each successive psychotic episode washed away more of his sanity and will to live.

  He confided that he had long contemplated killing his parents and his siblings and then himself as a way to assure his family would qualify for resurrections even though he would not.

  He loved his family despite the damages it inflicted by religion. He died intentionally at 32 years of age. You don´t need to become a JW to have them ruin your life.
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  Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a government meeting re.

  child abuse & jw was held.

  see this post.

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  Great news.

  I wonder if the DA office is aware that ALL cases of internal abuse have already had details recorded and shared with Bethel on the S-?? forms (as per WT instructions) ?

  The only way to find out how many, and how damaged their lives were/are would be to demand the files rather than let some lying JWs volunteer damning information.

  The victims could be canvassed by professionals (free from cult influence) to determine what help or actions if any would be appreciated and appropriate.

  Help at last!
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  Eulogies

  by redundantcartworker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently attended a non jw funeral at a local church.

  during the service, a couple of friends/relatives of the deceased eloquently spoke for a few minutes about the deceased with some of their fond memories and gave heartfelt, respectful tributes.. would i ( a non jw) be given a few minutes to speak at either of my jw parents funerals at the kingdom hall ?.

  i guess i already know the answer, but if the answer is "no", then why not and how would they hide the heartlessness of refusing ?

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  ...ah the deplorable scripted JW sendoff ...

  Mom (76) was an Anglican and had recently moved her little business to a new town where she hadn't attended church much in her final two years. I had been a Dub for 14 years with funerals having become just dreary WT self-promotion to a captive audience.

  As Executrix, Sis arranged for the young local vicar to handle Moms funeral.

  That young fellow thoroughly and reverently interviewed Sis to give him a perspective from which he then hand-crafted the finest eulogy I had ever heard!

  He reminded those present of what a fine person had graced our lives. Though small, matronly and quiet, Mom was a force to be reckoned. The vicar mentioned with humour how her humble financial circumstances never deflected her dedication to complete honesty, how her modest education and fascination with history had lead her into the antiques business, and the zeal and integrity with which she bought and sold beautiful wonders from a time when quality, beauty and utility were not mutually exclusive.

  I´ve since marvelled how the young clergyman laboured to give a woman he scarcely knew the respect of having her qualities and history so faithfully remembered before her friends and family.

  Princess Dianas funeral was pretty good ´by comparison, (but Elton John helped). I will be forever grateful to that accommodating, enthusiastic young vicar from a small town.

  Miss you Mom and Dad